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“It’s also about the female orgasm, but that’s not relevant.”
-Harry Styles talking about Watermelon Sugar in Nashville, Tennessee
(Nashville is where the song was written back in 2017, right after he sang Girl Crush on the BBC in August. Also, Nashville was the first show he sang Girl Crush on tour in September because it’s the heart of country music in the US. )
Anyone “surprised” that he would say this is surprising me right now. The WS music video was overtly clear and rather heavy-handed with what he wanted you to “think” the song is about. I’m talking SUPER heavy-handed with the innuendos, like it was derived from the mind of a teenage boy who still giggles every time he hears the word vagina……or from a closeted man desperately trying to convince the world he enjoys eating pu$$y.
That’s why I’ve always said this song was to make us think Harry was obsessed with “pu$$Y” (said at 4:18 in the video below) and I made many snarky comments when it was first released as a single (some people may remember) but ultimately came to love it because it’s such a groove. Then I made this video where I acknowledged it was supposed to be about oral sex, but I just didn’t buy the female obsession from him.
It’s bullshit, and I believe that will bear out more and more over time. He is playing a role right now with Olivia (who attends many of his concerts btw and who was there in the audience when he said this. Surely we couldn’t expect him to say it was about “the male orgasm” in front of her.)
He says it in the video below around 2:13.
Unlike most people, I’m not upset about him saying this, as I get that he is pretending to be addicted to pu$$y because he has a female audience to enrapture. A lot of those girls will lose their zeal for him once they discover he likes dick! *gasp*
Harry’s rather obvious shtick has always been to remain super “woke” as well as “unlabeled” so as not to alienate any member of his audience, and to also create an allure that keeps people guessing. In some respects I do believe he wants to create a place for anyone from any walk of life to feel safe at his concerts, but some of his tactics are rather…transparent. I’ll leave it at that.
As far as his refusing to label himself as bi or pan, but also still trying to walk the line between straight and gay, jumping back and forth to either side whenever it’s convenient, I find it deceitful, and he has been doing it for years. Hence only dating female models publicly to catch headlines.
So this WS antic in Nashville is not anything new from him. But what I’m personally upset about is that he would never openly admit to his love of men or male orgasms like this, so it makes his doing it about females very cheap and lame. For all he does to try to be “open” about his relationship with Zayn, at the end of the day he can still be quite full of shit when it comes to wanting a “lady-loving” image out there. Which is what I said yesterday in this post: The Rise Of Eleanor Calder vs Gigi Hadid. But I will always give him credit for trying in 2019. He really did try. 💔
But unfortunately it’s not fair to say “just deal with the things he does” because he’s secretly bi or pan or “oh he doesn’t want to be labeled” and we’re supposed to believe that is somehow empowering or courageous of him. No, actually one could argue (not necessarily me) that it is quite cowardly and calculated, because it makes him more marketable, and that is a strategic PR ploy. He wants to play to both sides, and that is why he is often labeled a “queerbaiter” by many angry folks.
I don’t agree that he is a queerbaiter, though, and I’ll go to my grave on that. I think he is a very confused lad, who has been in a fucked up secret relationship with another confused dude since he was a teenager, and I believe it has often caused him to question his gender and his sexuality, and try to walk the line between masculinity and femininity so confusedly. (That’s my personal interpretation, it doesn’t have to be yours.)
So why can’t the gay parts be fake and calculated and not the female-loving parts? Because this.
Also, no one is saying “don’t like females” when we criticize Zayn and Harry’s PR games. It’s the fact that they choose to elevate their often phony relationships with these females over their attraction to men and over their relationship with each other that bothers me. Being closeted and not announcing to the world that you like men is one thing, but if you are actively going out of your way to sell a lie because it serves your ego and lends you the ideal image for your career, then that is reprehensible, and they both are guilty of it.
Remember, the only time Harry has ever looked convincingly attracted to a female was Zayn in drag. And there is a reason for that.
This is why I haven’t really been covering his concerts with zeal and squealing about what color his fingernails are and how many times he kisses his hearts. I’ve really tried to care for you all, and came back for him singing TBSL because I was not here for the discrimination of that song, but I think it’s clear I’m in a really bad headspace with both Zayn and Harry right now lol.
None of the stuff Harry theoretically-maybe-possibly does for zArRy of late matters to me right now because he is still simultaneously lying and forcing us to watch the lie every night at his concerts while he desecrates his entire discography by having her there dancing like a lunatic for headlines.
We can’t give him credit for being “open” (ever since Holivia started) if we are going to turn around and criticize Zayn for bullshitting with Gigi while doing impotent shit to be connected with Harry. We have to treat them the same or it’s not fair. In my eyes, Harry took a huge step back with Holivia this year, and it shows with him going out of his way to say this about Watermelon Sugar almost two years after it was released in front of her. It almost seems like Harry is trying to erase the things he did in 2019, and overshadow the Zayn elements in his music of late, and that’s the part that really hurts. But I suppose we can’t really blame him. Still, it sucks.
And if you want to say oh we have to support the bullshit because they’re “closeted” then you go right ahead and do you. Support them all you want! I do not support lies, and in my opinion there is nothing noble (or deserving of sympathy) in either of them living a lie anymore. It is a lie by omission of a critical truth.
When Beyonce sang about this (W) Urban Dictionary said it was about the male orgasm. When H was ambiguous to WS meaning, I took it to mean male and female because of what Beyonce sang and because H was being open. I don’t buy his explanation 2 years later.
The thing I noticed is while just skimming my phone, I have seen 2 articles about Harry’s statement. Saying it’s exactly what you think it is. It’s like it’s so important that they drill that he is talking about a “female” and in no way a male. The fact that out of all the things they could report about in entertainment but that one statement needs a full article is just more of the media working to keep any doubts about his sexuality null and void like they have been doing for years. If he’s ok with that, then so be it.😔
To add to my last post……. think about it.
Zayn never gave Harry pap walks or any kind of public affection post 1D. He hasn’t come out and openly praised H or his music on social media. He’s even went so far as doing the opposite, saying they never talked and shaming the same Grammys Harry was nominated and performed.
In Harrys eyes, Olivia is everything Zayn wasn’t. He is likely caught up in it and basking in her affection because he has been lacking it so much from Zayn who can’t even communicate clearly!
I just think H has in rose colored glasses rn. He isn’t realizing that Olivia is quite obviously taking advantage of him and his fame. I think it is why he has been acting so out of character. He’s still messed up in the head from Zayn and it’s caused him to be swept up in Olivia without a care in the world.
He has lost his careful manner and woke behavior. In a way, H reminds me of someone rebelling and just doing all the things they shouldn’t or couldn’t before.
Like Disney child stars who almost always have a rebellious period, Harry is rebelling in his own way rn. That’s my take.
You hit the nail on the head! I will always love Harry and Zayn. they just upset me.
I haven’t been happy with Harrys actions for a while now. I EXPECT Zayn to do the BS he does (still doesn’t make it ok). But not H.
Harry was so close to being fully himself without caring about media perception. every step he takes in the opposite direction gives me heartache.
Often when ppl rebound from a serious relationship they let themselves believe they’re in love with the rebound. it’s always fast-paced too like Holivia. But sooner or later they realize they copy and pasted their feelings for their previous lover and that it was all in their head.
I’m hoping Harry has this realization soon bc Some days I truly think Harry believes he is in love with her and isn’t as repulsed by her as many feel. He’s simply hurting still and likely is trying to numb that pain or distract from it. He’s not thinking clearly.
That’s my assumption. I could be wrong 🤷♀️
Just hoping he realizes the risk he takes with these actions bc if I didn’t believe in Zarry, I could understand why ppl may feel misled by him or that he queer-baits.
So frustrating but I just like to believe for my own sanity that Harry mentioned the meaning of WS as a deliberate wind up to that audience member called Roger whom he apologised to afterwards. There was evidence of the cheeky Harry we know and love right there. But would he still have said it had “Roger” not been there? It was risky of him to say it especially as I was thinking how good it was a few weeks back when he was asking his team to remove offensive placards and supposedly getting annoyed with the audience constant refs to baby cats etc.Then he goes and confirms it. Harryyyyy!!!! (wags finger)
I think H does this still to protect z and now he has to protect Khai too if any of their prior relationship leaked there will be consequences not just for them for her too. I do not condone their behaviour because so much people are involved in this and it is trully sad that they dont realize, whatever the world might think of them as a couple, it does not matter because God is not going to ask anyones opinion about you, your going to be judged for your own choices.
Beyonce mentioned in her song drunk in love about drinking watermelon it is semen
What I’m about to say maybe will piss off some people but THAT’S not my intention… It’s my personal opinion about something that I read in this post..
I can understand the frustration that most of zarries have right now up to a point… Harry is “going” backwards, say things that its bs and most of us we can see through it.. His nannafriend (girlfriend is not applied to her) is always there and got attention and she is pathetic (at least).. I’m pissed off with those too, believe me..
What I can’t understand is why there are a lot of people saying that they will stop supporting or listen to his music… I’m not saying that we “have to” but, let’s see what’s the next album sounds like and then ok, if somebody doesn’t like it, don’t listen to it and don’t support him… But saying that you won’t support his music cause of what he is doing in his personal life seems too harsh to me…
“female orgasm” yea.. sure sweety we believe you :). I just couldn’t concentrate whatever he said because I was so.. invested in what he wore and dayum… I have never seen a man who looks so good in a vest before.
I found this edit on Pinterest a few months ago & remembered I saved it. Here’s what I feel about Holivia now. Here’s to your new life Harry you womanizer you.
If I am not mistaken, before you said the MV is more friendly than sexual or He is among kindred spirits ?? (i rephrase that.)
If U remember pls elaborate on that 😅
I agree with you 1000%!!! It didn’t surprise me that he said it, but it did cause me to roll my eyes and shake my head. Why not just say “human orgasm”?! The “female” thing just sounds like he’s trying way too hard. It’s not a cute look from someone who said they’re “not ever going back” If H likes women as well as men, fine by me. But, regressing to this stuff is beneath him. Ugh… anyhow, he did look AMAZINGLY HOT in the vest!
I came to your site earlier but when I did your site crashed twice as I left comments. Lucky for you bad for me then but now I’m glad, I’ve cooled down and it’s nice to be able to vent w/our self-appointed zarry coven. I can no longer respect Harry or his music. Harry went from the 1D boybander-in-a-glass-closet to smashing the glass & now going into a heavy wooded one, he can never go back. H wore 1 yellow nail yesterday then seeing O wear yellow standing upto the fence taking pics alot hit me weird. I was glad to see Harry back to normal smiling (I think he self medicates)but then he commented WS what he said disgusted me because he betrayed himself. He barely has pride flags but blm too, its no longer rainbows & unicorns. Harry protected Zayn but he has very powerful gay friends who have gone the married w/children route. Guess he’s going that route too. He has also changed his target audience 100% in one night. There are older woman around watercoolers today saying they’d leave their husband&bratty kids for him too. Zayn is hocking sunglasses so that means he probably has a new album coming out & needs the endorsement. I feel deflated.
Ohhhh so over all this bs I swear, if zarry wasn’t such a black hole with no escape I would have left a while ago lol I swear. I’m sure we all have seen the newest pap pics by now… the hell??? Why were they sitting on a stingy plastic table half on the grass half on the concrete right next to a damn trashcan??? I laughed so fucking hard! He apparently said no pics but come on my dude why where you sitting there in the first place? Got no private hotel balcony to chill at? Oh and Z apparently is a sun glasses designer now? Somebody need some income since his music not selling anymore? Also H is looking skinnier than ever I think and I’m starting to wonder if that’s the real reason he always wears suspenders on stage.
This old granny mmm..is she that jobless to b following him up and down like an obssessed 16yr old.Cant she jus give him a mnth to breathe??l guess she doesnt wanna give him a reason to cheat on her
When I heard him say that about WS I was a bit confused, its weird because he sounded like he was trying to please the audience or whatever, and they did all react, but when he does discreet things zarry related, is that for the same audience or for zayn??, like does he assume poeple know or not, also i saw sooo many comments about how “larries must be crying rn” , so people think that larries would be caught off guard with this, so maybe his intention was to make us all “zarry’s” question what we really think is true and be caught off guard, which is low-key insulting, I just wanna know how much he knows about what we “know”😂😩
Harry just gives off a completely different feel, that’s what’s bothering me somehow. I believe he’s one of those people who adapt/change a lot depending on the people they admire or spend the most time with at a moment in time. Like, I believe he mirrors them in a way. Think back to long hair Harry e.g. in the Late Late interview with James Corden, he had super different mannerisms back then and moved his face in weird ways (I always thought Who on earth are you mimicking here) and it’s always changed a lot, Dunkirk Harry behaved different as well. Now I feel he has changed a LOT again and I don’t know but I don’t like it that much.
But I don’t like the party oooonnnnn feel of the Love on Tour shows anyways, it clashes with what the songs are about (and Olivia dancing to everything doesn’t help either). Guess they thought people need party, but I think people rather needed to feel a real connection and to be in one space and share emotions…
It’s also transparent bc he specifically said “female” orgasms. He usually avoids male/female pronouns when explaining his music and leaves everthing open for interpretation but all of a sudden he says “female” orgasm. It just sounds weird. If I was a musician and wrote a song about oral sex I’d just say it’s about oral sex or about orgasms.
so here I am , zarry to my core, just to say that truly I don’t care what H says about WS… most zarries are intelligent enough to see through BS… I’m not happy about it, but I don’t pay much attention to it either…when WS came out i looked into what it meant and for sure it’s not about a female orgasm (lol)… H is playing the game as he supposed to do, imo, and that’s fine with me (not so much but it is what it is)
I just wonder for whom are all those mumblings he does especially in SHE and Adore you and occasionally in WMYB…
Doesnt this woman olivia have small children,she doesnt seem to spend much time with them!
My eyes just flewwwwww WAY open!!!! Girl!!!! He’s not with O, DRAGGING US ALONG AND TORTURING US, to promote their movie! Everyone’s past that (PSYCHOLOGICAL THRILLER) and focused on his newer “making out with a man” movie! He has continued to charade/parade with O, because his tour, singing his open songs of love for Zayn (who now has a kid, with a woman) has to be tamed… so people will believe he wrote those songs “Cherry” for Camille! Like so many wanted to believe, at the start!!! 👁👁
I am as frustrated as everyone else here. I have never gotten this wound up about 2 peoples relationship as much as these 2 and I can’t seem to get myself to stop caring. I guess underneath I still feel that H is back peddling now because Z has distanced himself so much from H since Lights Up because he thought H went to far and it was too close for his comfort level and the image he so tightly hangs on to as a straight guy. Yeah right. IDK but In any event, all this PR with Olivia is pure BS because do you ever see pictures of them together at any of the concerts? H is broken. I think he tried to be tough with Z cuz he wanted him. So sad. Anyway AD your perspective is always so right on. Thank you. 😘
My heart is broken 😞 I think I will just follow your foot steps and not worry about them coming out anytime soon because I think they love what they are doing.thank you AD love you so much ♥️
When I first read it, my immediate reaction was wtf this is soooo odd for him to speak like this. He always seemed to not really speak about those things. I didn’t kno what to thk but I didn’t like it. Then I heard him, and IMO the word choice is very telling. I cld not understand every wrd bc it was mumbled to me, but if did seem more like to excite the crowd. Also, I don’t believe every song is about Zayn, so it cld ALSO be about female orgasms. And actually that’s what he said…. He used “also about” so he wasn’t going 100% about anything IMO. He said something at the end, and it wasn’t that settles that but it also made me feel like the female orgasm part was not that important
Yes, when I posted that picture earlier of Harry from last night’s show I was not aware of what he said about WS.
I have to say now that him saying female orgasm in front of thousands of people including, likely, young children who would not know what it means and the context of it in connection with the song, AND in front of Olivia, I found really unsettling and completely out of character. I am no prude at all, but there is a time and a place and that was not it, again that is my opinion about it.
I completely agree that he is just going to continue to let her become a Gigi Mark 2. With all of the negative publicity that they have had he could have ended it or even asked her to not attend his concerts or stay in the background more, but no. It’s been a year now pretty much and she is still there everywhere he goes drawing attention to herself at HIS concerts. Unfortunately I am now of the opinion that he has chosen to do this, just like Zayn, and it’s not going to end. Marriage and/or children would not be a surprise to me. It upsets me greatly. I will stick around because I love the Zarry community but I will probably take a step back for a bit 😔
AD, I said this before but I’ll say it again, the world needs more people like you.
It brings me hope for the humanity reading your posts and comments from this whole community we have going on here, knowing that somewhere half across the world there are intelligent, reasonable people not easily manipulated by stupid narratives.
I know that our main topic here is zarry, and they have my heart&soul, but regardless of them, I am just happy in general that there are smart people in the world, cause some things we have whitenessed in the past year or two have made me seriously doubt in most people’s intelligence and worried about our future as a species 😅
I know I don’t need to tell you this, I see you are not one likely to waver, but still – keep doing you boo. The world needs it. 💪🏻
But..I don’t think u hv seen the whole video AD….He clearly says..”It is about female orgasm but that’s totally different and its not really relevant” …implying the opposite is true..that WMS..is really not relevant to female orgasms per se
You are spot on again!!! I’m sooo fed up with both of them right now! Z still playing into the “happy family” BDay party even after he was attacked by a close family friend is absolutely ridiculous and I am convinced G has Zayns balls in a jar in the kitchen somewhere, that’s the only explanation I have at this point for his spineless actions and behavior…. And don’t get me started on H right now. My heart still hurts for him and how he has been treated by the one he truly loves but I’m so very annoyed by his antics lately. He is really putting in a lot of work to seem straight/into women lately. From bringing her to almost every show to talking about WMS meaning and even his setlist. From HS1 he pretty much kept every song with female pronouns/”about women”. Like how is he singing carolina and woman but not sweet creature????? His whole setlist screams “I’m into women”. I get that he is still trying to protect Z (I wouldnt) but he is doing too much and it just so phony. Oh and O dancing like an idiot every show like “look at me look at me”!?! A whole damn circus!
Thank you for being honest, it lends others the courage to do so as well and to let go of the relationship that truthfully no longer exists. It was once, but clearly isn’t anymore. Whatever happens we’d always know the truth of their existence. God save them both, I truly hope He does, nobody’s ever beyond His grace and mercy. But that’s if they ever desire saving.
I have thought zarry was done for awhile now and honestly, at this point, I don’t think it’s a bad thing. I think it’s a toxic relationship at this point. I feel all of what you said. I have to say, I was invested in wanting them to be together after Fine Line was released and before the baby but that changed since the holivia charade. I hope H finds love & happiness but right now, your merch is more interesting than their crap. I’m in love with the yellow daisy outline on white design.
This whole shit hurts. I dont know about you but zarry used to be my happy place when I was dealing with difficult things in my life and I loooved finding connections in their music and the fact that these two incredibly talented musicians showed us their true feelings with their art. My only consolation is knowing that this will be around forever.
But now all of this is overshadowed by what they’re doing in public and it’s such a fvcking injustice to what they’ve had and what they created. I feel like both of them have been playing these games for so long now they have lost sight of who they really are (the two boys we fell in love with) and what they once wanted, especially Z. And I struggle to imagine them getting out of this mess any time soon and without things first getting irreparably worse. I hate to think this way but it’s hard not to think that something tragic might happen.
Just because they might still feel for each other or actually want to be together and because it would hurt less, we can’t ignore how bad things have gotten. But instead we have to watch them pretend to be happy and watch their fans cheer them on.
This is the 1st time ive heard him give this a specific meaning. We all know that Harry’s a duck & diver. (He said it himself in a intervew). Wow Harry your taking 3 steps forward and 5 back! 😞
Every time one of these two idiots does something to upset me I always get so annoyed and occasionally come on here and have a rant then you make a post about the situation which makes it seem a million times better. You’re always so logical. I don’t know why I let things about two men who don’t even know I exist bother me but I’m just so sad with everything. When you look back to what they were like 2013/2014 compared to now and I know we’re never going to get that back. Anyway AD just wanted to say thanks for always making things better, if I had a brain like you I would think about things before getting upset and ranting. I love this website ❤️
Did I already say that you are fantastic today???
I feel the same as you AD. Nothing that H apparently does like kiss his tattoos or change Golden’s letters makes sense to me because O is there almost every night. He didn’t need to say that WS is about female orgasm in my opinion. I think he is supporting the Holivia narrative and right now I don’t care if he paints his nails yellow or tattoos a sunflower.
He has never explained the meaning of his songs, not even when he was in 1D, why do he now? His answer was that “everyone writes from personal experiences and that each person can interpret a letter however they want” And now WS is about fameles…when that is a thing than never care of him…
Lord help me with this two!!!
The only thing which I expect from Harry at this point is that he doesn’t give that 37 year old twice divorced mom of two the honour of having his babies. I can easily predict an engagement.Seeing how public this holivia circus is. Use condoms while enjoying your FeMaLE OrGAsms harold !!!